been reading some cool things (mostly jumblr [Jewish tumblr] and beyond inclusion, beyond empowerment). gonna write them in bold, my thoughts in plain
first and foremost: tryina wrestle with and not avoid but make sense of, christian cultural privilege, and how that gets modified vs “lost” etc. convo welcome!
also, the word christendom is a useful umbrella for christianity + cultural christianity + christian default creeping into “secular” stuff. ye
thinking about the idea that cultural christianity is an advantage regardless of actual beliefs (yep, social capital, ease of navigation; devoutness pretty irrelevant)
even if you disidentify with christianity… (sure, ok?** plenty of ex-christians still perpetuate christian supremacy, through learned habits)
**well, how do you account for feeling ostracized by the everywhereness of christianity? for feeling alienated by even-Totally-Secular-christmas? even if you haven’t claimed another religious-type identity?
(plus “you can still navigate christian culture” true, but how to differentiate that from marginalized folks learning to/raised to nav dominant culture? (esply folks w newly self-recognized marginalized identities)? aaaaaa)
unless you convert to another religion, and atheism/agnosticism doesn’t count. mmmmnn — yes, ok, converting to a marginalized (usually racialized marginalization too) religion, esply Judaism or Islam right. and sciencey “secular”ized christian atheist culture is a huge problem thing.
but, uh. so many pieces to try to address here. pagan cultural appropriation? “converting” to a closed religion without engaging w the culture/members, just deciding (mainly thinking white faux-Buddhists)? what about UUs (oh my god so very christian-influenced and grabby, but technically “another religion”)
((tangent: prison rights to religious groups, which are pretty damn restrictive and afai have researched exclude atheism/agnosticism as not religions, not worshipping so don’t need space?))
and what about yknow ppl like me who. what the hell “religion” am i “converting” to? my brain religion. yeah what about us crazy people with our non-religious-but-something beliefs? (is that the ‘separate’ ableism axis? how do race and ability intersections factor here, cuz they are Huge)
it feels Weird that atheism/agnosticism “don’t count” as religions (though it Also feels weird to call them religions?? argh), but it also Kinda Makes Sense that they aren’t “enough” to lose christendom privilege/agent member status (put better: the book says, they don’t acquire target status)
and where do questioning folks fit
and what about the difference between loss of privilege/agent member status, versus being an agent who is an ally and notices and is hurt by the christian default? clear enough when still christian, but when not??
(i’m relatively clear on the whole, spiritual-abuse doesn’t negate that being christianity fluent provides benefits, much like being a cis woman survivor doesn’t negate cis privilege; and raised-as-(culturally-or-devout)-christian and cis-by-default also parallel decently i think. but i can envision the arguments, blech)
idk i just keep spinning my wheels over this. i need to read some more sources that talk abt complications without dodging the reality of christian cultural privilege
mostly the difference between “disidentifies with christianity” and “identifies with another non-atheist/agnostic religion” weirds me. lines between being a sensitive ally vs marginalized converted person…
…i mean. i know at the end of the day, i need and want to support jewish and muslim people, and cultural christian savvy has tons of benefits. this whole convo does nothing to change what i do
but i want this to make sense so i can…talk to ppl, atheists esply and also UUs and white buddhists (and white pagans) and white ex-christians-who-haven’t-converted-to-judaism-or-islam, and survivors of christian spiritual abuse! abt how this works.
(and just because i’m good at detecting faux-secularism-that’s-default-christianity, and just because i feel alienated by it? doesn’t mean…anything other than that?
god this is getting too big for my head.)